Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru
The National Assembly for Wales

 

Y Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus
The Public Accounts Committee

 

 

Dydd Iau, 3 Ebrill 2014

Thursday, 3 April 2014

 

Cynnwys
Contents

 

Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon

Introduction, Apologies and Substitutions

 

Papurau i’w Nodi

Papers to Note

 

Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o’r Cyfarfod 

Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from the Meeting

 

Cofnodir y trafodion yn yr iaith y llefarwyd hwy ynddi yn y pwyllgor. Yn ogystal, cynhwysir trawsgrifiad o’r cyfieithu ar y pryd.

 

The proceedings are recorded in the language in which they were spoken in the committee. In addition, a transcription of the simultaneous interpretation is included.

 

Aelodau’r pwyllgor yn bresennol
Committee members in attendance

 

Christine Chapman

Llafur (yn dirprwyo ar ran Sandy Mewies)
Labour (substitute for Sandy Mewies)

Mike Hedges

Llafur
Labour

Alun Ffred Jones

Plaid Cymru

The Party of Wales

Darren Millar

Ceidwadwyr Cymreig (Cadeirydd y Pwyllgor)
Welsh Conservatives (Committee Chair)

Julie Morgan

Llafur
Labour

Jenny Rathbone

Llafur
Labour

Aled Roberts

Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru

Welsh Liberal Democrats

 

Swyddogion Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru yn bresennol
National Assembly for Wales officials in attendance

 

Fay Buckle

Clerc
Clerk

Claire Griffiths

Dirprwy Glerc
Deputy Clerk

Gwyn Griffiths

Uwch-gynghorydd Cyfreithiol
Senior Legal Adviser

Meriel Singleton

Ail Glerc

Second Clerk

 

Dechreuodd y cyfarfod am 09:03.
The meeting began at 09.03.

 

Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon
Introduction, Apologies and Substitutions

 

[1]               Darren Millar: Bore da, bawb. Croeso i’r pwyllgor. Mae’n bleser i’ch croesawu chi.

 

Darren Millar: Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the committee. It is a pleasure to welcome you.

 

[2]               Good morning, everybody. Welcome to today’s meeting of the Public Accounts Committee. We have plenty on our agenda today, most of which will be in private session. However, I will give out the usual housekeeping notices, if I may. Please turn off your mobile phones and pagers, BlackBerrys and any other electronic devices as, of course, they can interfere with broadcasting and other equipment. There are no fire alarms planned today, so if the alarm does sound, we should follow the instructions of the ushers, who will lead us to an appropriate safe place. We have received an apology for absence today from Sandy Mewies, but we welcome Christine Chapman to the meeting. Also, I note that William Graham has sent his apologies; I should mention that too.

 

[3]               I am delighted to be able to welcome today, as an observer of the meeting, Kate Kuring from the Victorian Auditor-General’s Office in Australia. Welcome to you, Kate. I hope that we will provide a useful case study for you to be able to take back to Australia, and the potential of a visit to see how you operate, I think, will be of great interest to Members.

 

09:04

 

Papurau i’w Nodi
Papers to Note

 

[4]               Darren Millar: Without further ado, we will move on. We have a number of papers to note in relation to our senior management pay inquiry. We have a letter from Richard Tompkins, director of NHS Wales Employers, we have additional information from Peter Smith, from the Hay Group consultancy organisation, on senior pay, and we have an amended paper from the Welsh Local Government Association—a few tweaks have been made as a result of some inaccuracies regarding population in its previous paper. Are Members happy to note those papers? There were no objections, so we will consider those to have been noted.

 

09:05

 

Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o’r Cyfarfod
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from the Meeting

 

[5]               Darren Millar: I move that

 

the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting in accordance with Standing Order 17.42(vi).

 

[6]               Does any Member object? I see that there are no objections, so we will move into private session.

 

Derbyniwyd y cynnig.
Motion agreed.

 

Daeth rhan gyhoeddus y cyfarfod i ben am 09:05.
The public part of the meeting ended at 09:05.